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JED (je@news.bridge.net) wrote: : Distribution: : Brian Liu (beliu@mail2.sas.upenn.edu) wrote: : : First of all, I only defended the Chinese, not any other countries. : However, Mr. Liu, since you group all people of European descent as Euros : then you must similarly accept the name of Asian. By your own skewed and : biased scale you share blame with all others of your continental origin. : You share blame for the purges of your fello asiatic Stalin, you share : blame for the slaughter in Timor, for the Cultural revolution, for the : Nanking massacre, for the Cultural decimation of central asia by the Han, : for millions dead in Cambodia. You really need to redoo your genocidal : math for this century. You may find Asiatics have nothing to envy from : the Europeans. 1) I don't really give a shit about the rest of Asia. Thus, I don't share the blame. 2) Russians are Europeans you fucking idiot. 3) Cultural decimation? China today contains far more cultural diversity than ever before in its history, a country where people from Jews to Gentiles, Buddhists to Christians, Kazaghs to Cantonese to Han Chinese live. China lent its culture to whoever willing to partake in it; people like Marco Polo and others who made the Silk Route of yesteryear. No one ever forced anyone else to be Chinese, but everyone wanted to share in China's rich culture. The Chinese influence is evident everywhere. : : Second, Euros committed far more 'genocidal' acts in this century. The : : majority of Russians live in the European continent. Ever hear of : : Hitler? Mussolini? Franco? : As I pointed out above, the greater part of the USSR is in Asia and : Stalin, a Georgian, was an Asiatic as yourself. Landwise yes, peoplewise no. Like I said before, I don't give a fuck about Stalin. He presided in Moscow, a part of Europe. : : European colonial power finally ended in : : 1950s. What they left behind were war torn countries, ravaged, : : exploited, and in total chaos. It is natural that the natives of those : : countries resorted to warfare. The warfare was a natural consequence of : : European colonization. : Chinese and Indonesian colonialism continues to this day and the ravage : they cause is a bloody spectacle. The fact is that colonial states chose : to retain non-sensical colonial boundaries which served the interests of : the ruling class while denying the natural structure of the society. To : put all the blame on the colonial powers is a far too simple escape for : personal responsibility. And how were the colonial states supposed to change the boundaries to be 'natural'? Give up land? Are you fucking stupid on purpose? Who in their right mind would want to 'give up territory' to attain more natural boundaries. Yes, I do put all the blame (or 90% of it) on the Colonial powers. Where does Chinese colonization take place today? Name several examples? Chinese do leave their country to make a living elsewhere. This is not called colonization, though. Since you bring up Indonesia (out of thin air I suppose): Ethnic Chinese in Indonesia are generally among the most successful, usually in the business of making money. However, discriminatory policies today against Chinese are directed by the government because Indonesians do not want them to get any power. There are many riots, beatings, killings, etc against Chinese. Same thing in Vietnam, same thing in many other countries. : : : : How many Tibetans did China kill and 'crush'? Even if the whole damn : : region was exterminated, it would still barely outnumber the number of : : Jews killed by Hitler who was, by the way, a European. : How many Tibetans will be enough for you Mr. Liu? Is that why you shout