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Re: Men As "Success Objects" & Women As "Sex Objects"

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To: Public Netbase NewsAgent
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Subject: Re: Men As "Success Objects" & Women As "Sex Objects"
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From: Gail Thaler <gthaler@cs.com>
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:47:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Article: rec.org.mensa.125818
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Score: 100

Tin_User@news.kincyb.com wrote:
>Gail Thaler (gthaler@cs.com) wrote:
>: The only difference I see in men's magazines and women's magazines
>: in regard to women's bodies is that the women in men's magazines
>: have had breast implants.
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>I think you're just wrong about this, but it would be an interesting
>thing to test. Get photographs from a whole range of magazines and
>then show them to men and women and ask them what they think. My
>own sense is that men and women see women's bodies in completely
>different ways (I'm sure that's true for male bodies as well).
>Not only couldn't Kate Moss could ever make it as a Playboy model,
>but I don't think Anna Nicole Smith (the Playboy model who married
>that rich guy) could ever make the cover of Cosmopolitan (she's too
>fat, men don't care).
>
Wait a minute. I'm not going to show guys pictures of naked women
and ask them what they think? Isn't that sexual harrassment? And
besides, would they tell me the truth? I agree research could he
helpful in this area, though.
>: They are extremely thin but have big breasts.
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>A lot of Playboy models are not thin. Are you going by stereotype,
>or have you actually read this magazine? I first noticed this, by
>the way, when I was home from college during one summer and my sister
>and I started looking at a Playboy because we were bored. Her reactions
>were completely different from mine. I'm not talking about physical
>attraction, I just mean the parts of the body we noticed, facial
>gestures, etc. That's not scientific of course, but I have noticed
>that pictures of men and women are very different in magazines and
>even movies depending upon whether they're intended for men and women
>(ie. there are "women's men", "women's women", "men's men", and
>"men's women", in addition to those who crossover). I've always
>thought that Julia Roberts, for instance, was a "woman's woman"
>(women identify with her or would like to be like her, but her
>look doesn't do much for guys. Hugh Grant always struck me as
>being a "woman's man". Here's my point. All of the pictures which
>show up in women's magazines are meant for women. Men don't read
>these magazines. If an editor thinks that these pictures work
>better for the magazine's purpose than some others, then I suspect
>there's a reason for it.
>
So do I! To get women to buy diet plans, diet pills, etc. Did you
happen to look at ads in those magazines?
>: But then I heard a male designer complain that breasts got in the
>: way of his designs. Ruined the line of this clothing!!
>
>Another interesting theory I've heard, btw, is that the predominance
>of gay men in the fashion industry (which no one disputes) might in
>some way be responsible for some of this. If it's true that each
>person carries around his or her own aesthetic based upon what
>they find attractive (which, let's face it, is at least somewhat
>related to sexual preference), then it's possible that women's
>fashion is heavily influenced by the gay aesthetic (ie. designers
>without even thinking about it perhaps want women to look like
>young men). Or it's possible that doesn't influence things at
>all. I'm just suggesting that you have to look beyond the "big
>bad man" explenation for things, because while this might not
>seem obvious heterosexual men actually have very little
>participation in the women's fashion industry. They don't



